these crackers. They just don’t know that the widely accepted definition of racism isn’t “ racial prejudice or discrimination.”
Then name me more than 10 sources outside of tumblr, blogs, and obscure sociological books where racism is referred to as your ‘widely accepted definition’.
10 reliable sources, please.
What do you consider “reliable” and you can’t ignore the fact that most studies of racism are done by sociologists.
The exists to study the way society works.
So please explain to me what you consider “reliable” before you set this challenge.
I consider a credible source to be well based in research and facts, usually multiple investigative (may be journalistic) facts which can be independently verified.
An obscure sociological textbook is out there, sure, but if it contained information that was widely accepted and well-used by a lot of people, it wouldn’t be obscure. For instance…that book that a lot of people quote around here? The woman by the white woman who apparently (according to what I’ve heard) was the first one who defined racism as ‘power+prejudice’? Obviously, her opinion is not widely accepted, as her name is not well known (except apparently on tumblr in some circles); her book is not widely published. The book was written in the 70s. It has I think…1 review on Amazon.
If a book such as that were credible, it would have more reviews from various sources (including editorial reviews, which it doesn’t have), multiple editions (signifying that many people paid attention to and bought the book; it has only two, the second one being a ‘25th Anniversary Edition’), etc. Her name is barely a blip on wiki pages and newspaper articles. Despite the fact that (apparently) many people use the book, it, again, has only 1-2 reviews on Amazon, 1 on goodreads, and none on Barnes and Noble. You’d think that if she was so well-known and her book/system so widely used (as the book publisher and her mini-bio announces), it would have more reviews on it.
Also, society has changed from the 70s, which was immediately after the Civil Rights movement. Yes, say what you will, but society and racial views have changed, even if there are still some views that persist today that seem like they’re from the 70s. The views presented in her book (whether right or wrong) cannot be applied to today’s society in the same way that she applied them to the society of the 70s (which she still tries to do in the revised version). They may still be applicable in some ways, but people (especially on here, I’ve noticed) seem to take her word like the Word of God and that she can do no wrong. I am not saying that she is wrong. But I would like people to remember that her book was written in the incredibly racially charged immediately post-Civil Rights years.
The author also argues that ‘racism’ can and should be defined as a mental illness or a disease. I do not consider anyone who thinks racism can be declared a mental illness or disability to be extremely credible, personally (but that’s just me).
Basically said…books like that really don’t have much credibility to them. Neither do tumblr posts or blogs, as they are a)often extremely biased, regardless or which way the bias goes and b)not from a credible source. They are things just posted by people on the internet formed by (again, often very biased) opinions.
This is why I ask for sources outside of tumblr, other blogs, and obscure sociological textbooks. I would like to see things that have credibility to them.
Dictionary entries, articles from well-publicized newspapers, currently in-use and well known textbooks, well-known and highly-regarded sociologists and anthropologists…I mean, come on. You guys know what a credible source is. Surely you learned about it from English class, if nothing else? Think of it this way. When you look at a source and consider putting it on the list, think of the strictest, hardest-grading English teacher you ever had (and if you didn’t have a strict one, think as if you did), and think, “Would he/she allow me to cite this as a credible source in one of my essays/my final?”
Boosting because I haven’t gotten an answer yet.
i love when i ask people for ACTUAL sources on tumblr and never get an answer. even better when you go to their blog and they’ve made a snotty post about how racist/sexist/horrible you are…and all their little friends are liking it and saying things like “YEAH! <3333”
Dude…is anyone actually going to ANSWER me?
You have your answer already
Yes, I will name ten.
Since you felt entitled to demand an education, one that you could have easily gotten on your own, that is exactly what you’re going to get.
Let’s start with your very first comment. I find it interesting that you listed “Obscure sociological books” as something that you wouldn’t accept. Yet, you then state “Text books” as a reliable source. You did that because you are well aware of what the definition is but because it works against you, you thought you would lay down a challenge that no one could meet.
Now, let’s look at the extreme level of entitlement you and your racist bedfellows have spewed all over this post. Each of you is sure, positive and absolutely certain that you’re right. Yet, you have obviously done no research in the matter. You are sure because you are very much a part of the system you claim doesn’t exist as “Real” racism. Wait, let me rephrase that. I would hate for you to have a tantrum and claim I am putting words into your mouth. Okay, you are very much a part of the true definition of racism that states racism is systematic, power plus prejudice. The definition you deem false.
Because you have been told that your voice is the default, you saw no need to learn. You took no logical turn in thinking that it was strange for you to be so certain on a topic that you have never once explored outside of your own propaganda filled world view. You see, it is the racism that you deny that is the very reason for your wording here. You feel entitled to have someone else do your homework for you. You will likely shade your entitlement with some false equivalent that says that you felt that people should be able to “Defend their arguments.” All the while, never stopping to think that the only people you seem to ask to defend them happen to be people that you have privilege and power over. You are not my equal in intellect. The idea of you challenging my “Argument” is laughable. Yet, because of the very definition of racism that you deny, you feel so much entitlement that you have thrown down a gauntlet that you feel empowers you to be the victor.
Today is not your day, my dear. Nor is it the day of those who replied in kind. You are not the challenger of truth. You are a racist who wants to sidestep your accountability.
Most people would question their view once a self proclaimed Nazi skinhead reblogged in support of their racist views. Not you though. Not you.
As for your version of credible sources, I found your list weak minded and ill thought out. Especially since you had the poor judgment of adding, “You guys know what a credible source is. Surely you learned about it from English class, if nothing else?” You made incorrect claims of when and who came up with the definition of racism. It was not some white woman. She was not the first. She is just the first that racists go to. I have written about this very topic extensively. I suppose you missed it in all of your educational endeavors on racism. I love that you go on and on about this woman and her book but you can’t quite remember her name or the name of her book. Buuuuuuuuuuuuut you’re totes sure about what it says, when it said it and that she was totes the “Inventor” of this definition.
I noticed that on your uneducated diatribe you listed blogs as sources that you would not accept but you then go on to list the reasons that the book (You know, the one you can’t quite name) only has one review on Amazon. How strange that you wouldn’t accept the words of a blogger who is educated in the subject at hand but you would accept a book if it had 20,000 reviews on Amazon from random people. I can’t say that I am surprised.
The entire civil rights section of your argument is ill thought out as well. This is already getting to be to much work for such an unthinking person like yourself but I will tell you that you should not speak on things that you know nothing about. Except, I have a feeling that if you take that advice, you will be rendered mute.
As for your list of prescribed “Reliable” sources. One would think that in a situation like this, you wouldn’t list the dictionary as a reliable source. As you spent several inches talking about how times change. I’ve written about that too. I know you don’t accept Tumblr posts as reliable but adding the link simply saves me from repeating myself. I’m sure you can understand that. Or…maybe you can’t.
On to the ten.
1-Racial Equity Tools- this is a company that has been working with large corporations for the last 25 years to help with their leadership training. They are well regarded and certainly “Reliable.”
2-Edchange-This group has been working with school systems for over 17 years to educate on racism and the betterment of society. I’m sure you’ve heard of them, right? I mean, you know so much about this topic, you MUST have heard of them.
3-Dr. Shakti Butler- This one, you will mistakenly try to disregard but before you do, try to do a little research (Imagine that! You doing research BEFORE you talk!) you will find that this particular piece is used in a great many pieces of intellectual work. (Ha! Again! You reading intellectual works!)
*4-Encyclopedia of Power by Keith Dowding (Book) & Race and Ethnicity in Society: The Changing Landscape by Elizabeth Higginbotham and Margaret L Anderson (Book)-Now, I’ll admit I didn’t use the super “Reliable” source of Amazon.com for these. There may be no “Reliable” Amazon.com reviews at all for either of these books. I didn’t look. However, if you *ahem* do a little research, you will find that each has been lauded as academic masterpieces and has been reviewed, not by the general public but by professional scientific and educational critics. I know, I know. I am going out on a limb here. This one relies on you understanding how reviews work. But hey, I gave you a two for one!
5-Racism is global, systemic caste oppression- This one, I admit, I would love to see your face when you click this link. Your uneducated mind will grow wildy gleeful as you mistakenly see this brochure as a non-“Reliable” source. Then, perhaps, if you’ve learned anything thus far, you will first do your research and then comment. If you do, you will find that I simply made it easier for you to find (And maybe print out for future use) a well thought out guide. Perhaps, if you do your research first, you’ll find that not only is this coming from a well respected group but a group that has been around since the early 1900’s. One that is not only “Reliable” but has been working on this very subject for over 100 years and continues going strong to this very day. Oh wait! What am I saying, you’re so very educated in this matter. Of course you knew who WILPF were. Of course, dear. Of course.
6-The Pedagogy of the Meaning of Racism: Reconciling a Discordant Discourse-This one, you might actually like. It gives all the same arguments you give but well, you won’t want to read it to the end because well…it explains why you’re wrong.
7-Is your world too white?- This one, it doesn’t meet your “Reliable” sources criteria. However, the material within the work, does. There are no less than 11 books she suggests reading as well as other important comments dealing in this subject so I offer, not her writing specifically but her sources. (Goodness! I gave you another multiple sourced option. It’s so weird ‘cause you’ve totes never seen this definition on anything “Reliable” and stuff) *Yes, I am aware that I could have just given this one link and met your criteria but why simply meet the criteria when I can ground a bunch of racists into dust instead?
**Alright so I want to stop here to explain the next three “Reliable” sources. I personally do not consider them reliable and I want that noted. However, as you and your band of Klan members believe it is your voice that is the default, correct voice, it is your voices that I will use for the last three references.
8-You-In your second reply, you stated that (I’m paraphrasing) times change. You sited the civil rights movement as the time in question and because of the time, the correct definition is either completely invalid or has lost its credibility. Yet…the definition you cling to so tightly was first added to the dictionary in the 1800’s. You believe the timing of the civil rights movement helps to discount the correct definition but you don’t think the “time” of owning people based on the color their skin comes into account? Tsk! Tsk! Tsk! That is just stinkin’ thinkin’. Well, more like NO thinking but I digress…
9-You-It is clear that you do in fact, understand that the definition Prejudice + Power or institutionalized racism is correct. You prove that by simply admitting that you have power. After all, the easiest way to shut this entire thing down would be to say, “I have no power, therefor I can not be racist.” It’s that you DO understand the power structure. You DO understand what systematic racism is and how it benefits you. You do understand. Before you make the poor decision of trying to poke holes in this “reliable” source. I give you one of my posts. Yes, this is on the “No go” list but as you can see, it has links to sources you will deem “Reliable.” When someone is at the bottom based on the color of their skin, you, being of a different color, benefit. But…you knew that.
10-You-The taunting nature of your comments proves your perceived station. You and those like you, often spend time talking about how you just want people to have the strength of their convictions or believe that people should be able to prove their views. All the while, conveniently overlooking the fact that you ONLY expect this from those you have power over. So, by your own definition of racism, if I am wrong here, you can very easily prove it. I would like to see ten reliable sources that DISPROVE the prejudice plus power or systematic racism is true and/or socially correct. Since you are so sure of your own beliefs, this should be a piece of cake. Plus, you aren’t a racist who is just asserting your power. You are just trying to see if someone can back up their arguments, amirite?
*Note: I used the words in your post as reference to numbers 8, 9 and 10. If you are going to try to use the same tactic in your list, be sure to use ONLY what I’ve said and do not put words into my mouth, mkay?
I think you all should follow racismschool.
You’re doing god’s work, racismschool